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Loan Modification Advice From Third Party Killed My Chase Modification - I Want To Keep My Home

by Jacqueline OHare
(Hesperia, CA)




I refinanced in 2006 to build onto my home and took an additional loan on my 401k at $700/month. I have another 10 months before the 401k is paid off.

I have been trying to get Chase to work with me for a very long time. Each time I called for help after receiving letters stating I should call if I might have trouble making the payment.

Each time Chase stated that there was nothing they could do to help me.

After a year and half of struggling with the payments, I contacted a third party to help. Seems they were able to work with Chase but there was a mix up and I received a Notice of Sale on my garage while trying to work out a modification for 10 months. I was informed by the third party that when they contacted Chase, they had misplaced the request and that they were sorry.

After that I received a Chase mortgage loan modification package with the trial period payment schedule for 10/2010, 11/2010, and 12/2010.

The third party told me the final Chase loan modification agreement would come in December with new terms of 2% for 40 years with a minimum reduction of $50,000.

When the new terms came in December, they were not even close to the terms I was told about. The loan closure date was the same (30 years from the original agreement) with 5.75% fixed (which is better then the adjustable I had) and balance increase to include all the interest and fees accumulated over the process (additional $25,000) with a $20,000 drop in the balloon payment due at the 30 year expiration date of the loan.

I asked about the change in terms and she said she was going to send Chase an extensive document about why the terms are not acceptable and I should continue to make my trial period payment. (5 so far, six wasn't cashed yet)

Chase notified me that my loan was in jeopardy if I didn't respond about the final paperwork. The third party said this was normal and not to worry about it (which was extremely bad advice), that if Chase refuse she would just start over and apply again.

While this was going on, the same third party had been helping my Step Daughter and her family with a modification. I was told that they didn't know the modification had been refused and they received a notice about the sale through an eviction placed on the house.

I immediately tried contacting my third party (who I believe has skipped town). No answer on any of my phone calls and emails. My husband even showed up at the house of the third party and did not get an answer. Also left many notes all over the doors to the house to contact up.

I received a notice to call the Chase's assistance department for help. I called Chase and spent many hours being transferred around and disconnected. I explained that I had no idea what was going on and wanted to know my options were.

I was informed there was a hard denial on my account and that I would never be able to apply for modification again.

My husband spent another 6 hours being transferred around, insulted, and disrespected. He tried to explain the situation. 90% of the reps had heard the same story over and over again and didn't want to hear it from him.

My only options are to reinstate ($26,000+fees) or liquidate.

I do want to keep my house and I would do anything right now. But I have no way to pay the lump sum they requested.

Is there any hope.

Chase Mortgage Loan Modification Answer:

by Chase Mortgage Loan Modification Expert - Dan North

My first advice is >apply for No-Up-Front Fee Hardship Loan Modification to see if you qualify.

If Chase sent a government loan modification program offer, such as HAMP, they will not make the same offer again if you turned it down. The agreement Chase offered was not bad if it lowered the payment and you could afford the new monthly mortgage payments.

If the Chase loan modification offer was made under HAMP but did not follow the government guidelines (this happens very often) it may be possible to have it corrected and accepted by Chase.

When To Accept A Chase Loan Modification Agreement

This should have been gone over with you before a counter offer was made to Chase. You possibly could have had the fees, penalties and additional interest waived but if the new payments already offered are affordable it is best to accept the offer.

Making a counter offer to the first loan modification agreement is common practice but not always needed if the first offer will make it possible to keep your home.

If the first offer raises your payments or is still too high and unaffordable then make a counter offer but do it immediately. This is not a matter of getting the best deal possible, it usually is a matter of keeping your home or losing it to foreclosure.

Word Of Warning On Loan Modification Guarantees

No one can guarantee the interest rate and principal reduction a lender will modify your loan to. If you pay an upfront fee a money back guarantee can be made but this is not the same thing.

Chase or any other lender very rarely, if ever, make principle reductions on first mortgages (I have heard of it but I have never seen it). Principle reduction is more likely to occur on a 2nd mortgage (this I have seen and is not uncommon).

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Answer to: Simultaneous Trial Period Plan and Foreclosure
by: Dan North

Chase Mortgage Loan Modification Answer to: Simultaneous Trial Period Plan and Foreclosure

by Chase Mortgage Loan Modification Expert - Dan North



First send in a written challenge of the NPV result and ask that all values used in the NPV calculation be sent to you.

At the same time follow the steps in How To Save House From Foreclosure - 3 Ways To Stop A Foreclosure Sale and ask that a copy of the note with all endorsements and all mortgage assignments with endorsements be sent to you. You will also have to call customer service and tell them to send you the note and mortgage assignments with all endorsements. Make that call after you send in the written request.

Once you have the values used by Chase in the NPV Test enter them into the Making Home Affordable (MHA) on-line NPV Evaluation Form and check the results. Also download the NPV Test from the FDIC website (With this download you can change around more of the values to see what changes need to happen to get a pass)

Once you see the values used, verify them yourself, challenge those you can validly dispute.

Most likely the reason you did not pass NPV is because you have equity but Chase will rarely admit that. You may be able to get them to deal if they can not produce the note. Unless Chase comes back with a better modification offer send a new Qualified Written Request (QWR) asking that your case be escalated to executive level for re-evaluation of your HAMP request and denial.

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Ahmsi Modification Successfully Completed....
by: Anonymous

It took many years (two Modifications)to have it actually completed into a fixed rate but it is done and I am glad. The mortgage note has pretty much stayed the same but included is tax and insurance. Which is fine by me!!

We are fixed and locked at 4.75.

We are happy to have been part of the HAMP.

Thank you for your advice. The house is under my name. She bought a minivan under her credit. We did wait for confirmation documents and a week after we bought a minivan.

This is a HAMP modification actually working right.

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by Mortgage Loan Modification Expert - Dan North



Well done on getting a good result on your modification. I am glad it worked out for you.

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Simultaneous Trial Period Plan and Foreclosure
by: Anonymous

My loan is with Chase, we are 12 months behind. Our loan amount is about 390,000 and house value is about 470,000. A foreclosure date of 08/19/11 is set already (original foreclosure date is 07/19/11, we applied MHA program on 07/02/11 to get the foreclosure date extended). After we applied MHA program, we received a letter on 08/03/11 saying that we are approved under Chase in-house program, and payment is same as the old payment which we cannot afford. In addition, this TPP letter does not spell any terms and detail, it just tells us the TPP payment. On 08/05/11, we received another letter saying that our federal MHA application is denied. I have following questions:

1. I'm a bit confused about the time line. According to the MHA Handbook, Chase should get the federal MHA result first before they turn my loan to in-house program. How could I receive in-house program result before the federal program result?

2. Is Chase not willing to modify because we have equity in the house? How can I deal with that?

3. The denial letter says it's due to negative NPV, but when I called the representative, I was told NPV is just a general term. It is actually caused by insufficient income.

4.How do I find out how much income I would need to qualify? What should the front and back end ratio be?

5. When I calculate front and back end ratio, should I use the old payment or new proposed payment?

6. What is the chance to get the modification if I dispute the property value? How do I convince the lender that the value is lower? Is there any chance that the full appraisal will be appraised at the same value of Chase's BPO? If so, what's gonna happen?

7. What's the best overall plan for me now?

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by Chase Mortgage Loan Modification Expert - Dan North



See your answer in comment above titled Answer to: Simultaneous Trial Period Plan and Foreclosure

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I am currently on a HAMP Modification Request with America Home Mortgage solutions since November. Will a 403 loan kill my chances of modification....
by: AHMSI3 Modificationtakes forever

I have a HAMP Modification Request in process with American Home Mortgage solutions since November 2010.

One of our cars is totaled, the other is about to breakdown and in Dire need of a car since December 2010. We do not want to finance and risk losing our house or fall out of the Hamp requirements.

My wife is able to pull out money from her 403 to buy a used minivan $30,000.

Is this safe to do or should I wait until the HAMP loan modification process is over?

American Home Mortgage solutions has been stringing me along saying it should of been done in January, here we are in February. When I contacted American Home Mortgage solutions they said I am in the final stages and give them until April 11; they would either send us paperwork or ask for more documentation ?!?!?!?!

I need a car but want to keep our home, what should I do?

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by Chase Mortgage Loan Modification Expert - Dan North
Borrowing now would change all financials you have submitted for the HAMP modification with American Home Mortgage solutions.

Even if you are granted a loan modification now without American Home Mortgage solutions asking for any updated documents or running a new credit check, your new car loan would likely be discovered at the end of the three month trial loan modification period before a permanent loan modification agreement was approved.

Hold Off On Buying A Car Until After The Permanent Loan Modification Agreement Is Signed

If at all possible hold off for as long as it takes to get the permanent modification. That will be at least three months if you start the trial period now but likely will be longer (up to 6 months after the trial period starts).

If you can not waite that long then you should contact American Home Mortgage solutions and let them know you have to make emergency car repairs and what the monthly payments would be. A $30,000 purchase would probably kill any chance of a modification so you might need to scale down to only borrowing the money needed to make all required repairs to keep your car going until after the permanent modification agreement is signed.

Start Escalating The HAMP Modification Internally With American Home Mortgage Solutions

Do some research and find the name of the CEO and the manager of the Loss Mitigation Dept. You may be able to do this on-line but may have to make some phone calls to find out.

Next send a fax to your Loss Mitigation Officer with cc's to the CEO and/or manager of the Loss Mitigation Dept. Make a specific and clear request that your HAMP modification be escalated as it has been six months (give the date of original submission) and that you are including all new updated documentation, pay stubs, bank statements, IRS 4506T or 4506-EZ form to expedite the modification. Then make sure you fax all the documents and forms. Repeat this weekly if needed.

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